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PostPosted: Fri Jul 14, 2017 1:29 pm 
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My lap top is probably around 8~10 years old & still running Windows Vista home pro & Chrome for my browser. Being an older systems there's no more updates for Vista or Chrome!

The computer is a Systemax Dura Book D15ts, Basically a clone of the old Panasonic "Tough Book"
It has a T5750 Intel Core 2 Duo CPU @2.00GH. 32 Bit system with 2.00GB memory.

I'm looking to find a good antivirus/clean-up package for this older system!
I tried the free version of Avast, But it takes up a ton of space & really slows down my computer.

Any recommendations for a good software package that still runs good on the older systems?

Doug


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PostPosted: Fri Jul 14, 2017 1:36 pm 
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Windows has a free package for "malicious software" to do a scan and repair.
https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/downloa ... tails.aspx

I have Comcast cable / internet, they give free Norton package to all devices in the household. My assumption is you don't have Comcast, so ask around to other people near you who do.
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 14, 2017 4:08 pm 
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I have an older (10 years) Dell core 2 duo based laptop that I breathed new life into by installing an SSD drive and installing win10.
Google is your friend here, see if others have had success with your setup.


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PostPosted: Sun Jul 16, 2017 6:13 pm 
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Our IT guy just gave a lunch presentation at the office about home computer stuff.

For anti-virus, he recommended Bitdefender.
https://www.bitdefender.com/solutions/free.html
(Fwiw, he has a low opinion of Norton)

For malware and a cleanup utility program, he uses Malwarebytes.
https://www.malwarebytes.com


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PostPosted: Mon Jul 17, 2017 9:54 am 
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Hmm, what do you use the system for? Is it your primary/only computer, or is it an older/secondary laptop?

Pending that, the best you can do is to get 4 GB of memory into that system. Then, you could reasonably run Windows 8/8.1 or even Windows 10 with Chrome and your other basic apps. And for AV, I just roll with the built in System Center Endpoint Protection. It is pretty well-reviewed and really, unless you're using this system regularly on open wifi, have, uh, interesting browsing habits, or will use this system for activities related to sensitive personal information, you're probably good with the basics. Or if you have tech savvy enemies in your life. :)

Even that, it'll depend on how much memory for that system will cost. A lot of times, memory for older systems is more expensive than newer technology because there's nobody manufacturing it any more. If it were me, if I could upgrade that system's memory for $50 or less, I'd go for it. Otherwise, I'd buy a $200 (or less) brand new Chromebook and never look back.

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 17, 2017 10:09 am 
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SteveStram wrote:
Windows has a free package for "malicious software" to do a scan and repair
Checked that out & it doesn't look like it works with Vista?

Noways most software (including antivirus software) requires at-least Windows 7 to run correctly.

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 17, 2017 10:13 am 
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Thad Greiner wrote:
For anti-virus, he recommended Bitdefender.
Haven't tried that one yet, But AVG / Avast / Total all create problems with e-mail programs using older browsers & Vista.

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 17, 2017 10:20 am 
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jayed_coins wrote:
Hmm, what do you use the system for? Is it your primary/only computer, or is it an older/secondary laptop?
Yeah unfortunately it's my only computer for now!
I do plan to get a new system down the road, But for now I'm just trying to get this one running better with-out spending that much money.

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 17, 2017 11:06 am 
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Doug Walls wrote:
Thad Greiner wrote:
For anti-virus, he recommended Bitdefender.
Haven't tried that one yet, But AVG / Avast / Total all create problems with e-mail programs using older browsers & Vista.

Checked Bitdefender out & it's the same as the others, Requires Windows 7 & IE-10 or better.

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 17, 2017 11:43 am 
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SteveStram wrote:
I have Comcast cable / internet, they give free Norton package to all devices in the household. My assumption is you don't have Comcast
Yeah no Comcast here! I'm currently using AT&T / U-verse, But may look into switching?

My problems all seem to have started a few weeks ago when AT&T changed their e-mail to a Yahoo based program. I still haven't been able to 100% prove it's a problem with the new e-mail or my older system? But if I uninstall any antivirus programs my system runs ok, So I'm inclined to believe there's a conflict between AT&T's new e-mail software & my older system & the newer antivirus software.

The main problem seems to be with secure web sites?
Anything with "https" seems to not totally load correctly & continually tries to load.

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 17, 2017 1:05 pm 
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If the problem is the revised Yahoo email program you can always use another email program to hookup to your AT&T Yahoo mailbox.

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 17, 2017 2:47 pm 
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I have vista and comcast , using chrome , about a week ago, comcast TV guide and utube started acting up. Very poor or no playback. I'm looking to get windows 10 and give that a go.
Comcast Norton wont even load or update , because vista is not supported anymore.
Vista , looks to be the problem.

good luck , Wid T

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 17, 2017 5:39 pm 
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Kevin Cullen wrote:
If the problem is the revised Yahoo email program you can always use another email program to hookup to your AT&T Yahoo mailbox.
Yeah I think the new Yahoo e-mail is part of the problem, But it also affects the Att.net home page which is tied into the e-mail.

Also installing any of the antivirus software programs I've tried it automatically ties into the Yahoo e-mail which in-turn causes the secure web sites to not fully load. AVG is suppose to have a way to do a custom install which will let you by-pass the secure e-mail login option, But I haven't been able to figure that one out yet!

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 17, 2017 6:00 pm 
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Wid T. wrote:
I'm looking to get windows 10 and give that a go.
Unfortunately Windows 10 is not a option without also upgrading some hardware! Price wise I would be better off to just buy a new desk-top PC with Windows 10 already installed.

I believe I can upgrade to Windows 7 without adding any new hardware, But I've been told it's best to do a complete removal of Vista & any parts of the old Windows XP before installing Windows 7. That would require the full Windows 7 install program & not just the upgrade option.

Wid T. wrote:
because vista is not supported anymore. Vista , looks to be the problem.
Besides Vista not being supported anymore, None of the old browsers are offering support either. I keep getting messages saying that my version of Explorer & Chrome are no longer supported & need to be upgraded. Naturally that's not possible without upgrading the operating system. :s_crazy

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PostPosted: Tue Jul 18, 2017 10:02 am 
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Unfortunately, trying to move forward with that system is going to be tough no matter what you do. Even Windows 7 is out at sea now -- Microsoft pushed out FREE upgrades from 7 to 10 a year or so back because they badly wanted people up to 8, 8.1, and 10.

Your CPU is pretty decent, but you're hamstrung on having a functional system on Windows 8+ without having 4 GB of RAM.

I know it stinks, but my advice would be to look into a new system. To salvage this one, it will probably cost more than $50 to upgrade to 4 GB of RAM, and then you'll likely have to drop $110 on Windows 10 Home. At a minimum of $160 just to move this thing forward, you could get a brand new Chromebook for the same price, or you could use it as the so-called down payment on a much newer Windows system with better hardware and a new warranty.

The best possibility to salvage this system gets really nerdy really fast -- you could make it a Linux system. It would probably run a light build of Linux without any hardware changes. This would be the $0 upgrade/fix, but if you're not a bit geeky, it's basically an entirely different world. Nowadays, there are very nice, stable, user-friendly builds of Linux, but it's still a totally different ecosystem...

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PostPosted: Tue Jul 18, 2017 10:45 am 
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jayed_coins wrote:
I know it stinks, but my advice would be to look into a new system.
Yeah I know, But for now I'm just trying to keep this old laptop working until then. :roll:

I originally bought this laptop back when I was driving over-the-road & I needed something portable, But since I'm no longer driving over-the-road I really don't need a laptop! It's probably seen over 200,000 miles of road bouncing & jarring, So it surely doesn't owe me anything!

Searching the web for information on older computers & operating systems I seen an article on using Panda antivirus software. I double checked the system requirements on their web-sites & it does list Windows XP & Vista, So I gave it a try & so-far it seems to be working good! :s_cool

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PostPosted: Tue Jul 18, 2017 1:05 pm 
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Had a similar problem about 6 months ago with Windows XP here was my computer fix

http://www.microcenter.com/product/4673 ... efurbished

It was only $25.00 more for me to get a new computer then the cost and headaches of up grading the windows operating system. Not cheap solution but fixes a lot of problems fast. FYI it's the computer only no monitor.


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PostPosted: Tue Jul 18, 2017 5:51 pm 
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Jacob Nothstine wrote:
It was only $25.00 more for me to get a new computer then the cost and headaches of up grading the windows operating system.
Yeah that's the way I figure it also!
If I can get a little more use out of this old abused laptop in the mean time it gives me a little more time to save up a few extra dollars for a better system.

I originally bought the laptop from http://www.tigerdirect.com/ & they were great to deal with. My brother has dealt with them for years now & has always been happy with them. He buys what they call a "bare bones unit" & then installs his own options. They also offer refurbished units starting at around $100

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