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PostPosted: Mon Jun 05, 2017 8:35 am 
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Good morning all,

I work as an engineering manager at a company in Howell. Occasionally it has its perks and one being when we get in large pieces of equipment I can take the time to give the shipping crate a once over and see if there is any good wood to use for a work bench or some other project. That being said we recently received a large shipment of items from Spain and those crates were built with these fantastic 14'x7"x3" pieces of lumber (3 per crate). They seem to heavy to be pine and since I am new to woodworking I can't really eye ball the material it is made out of. I tried doing some research on a few websites about determining the type of wood and also if there were any common wood species in Spain that these would have been made out of. Far as I can tell it would be either oak or cedar but it doesn't have the cedar smell. It doesn't seem to be chemically treated but I know overseas containers are heat treated for insects and bacteria so that they do not carry any alien species abroad.

Is there any way to tell what this stuff is? I grabbed a few of these runners to build my first legitimate work bench but if its actually something decent I would like to grab a few more before it all goes in the dumpster.

Thank you for your help.


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PostPosted: Mon Jun 05, 2017 8:53 am 
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Not at all an expert but if you make a clean end-grain cut in a piece of it and post a close-up picture along with a wider shot of the flat grain someone here may be able to help you identify it.

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PostPosted: Mon Jun 05, 2017 10:24 am 
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I bought some wood from a very similar situation. It came from a pallet that had steel shipped to Indiana from Brazil. Turns out the big timbers were some variety of mahogany. They did have nail holes in them but there was enough clear stock between them to make a couple very nice night stands. And it's some of the best wood I've ever used! Had to imagine they were pallets.

My suggestion is to cut up a piece and clean it up on both the plain sawn side and quarter sawn. That should help identify the pore structure and grain configuration. Post some closeup pictures and we'll see if anyone recognizes it. You might also wipe down the grain with some lacquer thinner or solvent to bring out the grain and then take a picture.

Jay


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PostPosted: Mon Jun 05, 2017 12:05 pm 
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https://www.cbp.gov/border-security/protecting-agriculture/wpm

In a final rule published in the Federal Register on September 16, 2004, the U.S. Department of Agriculture (USDA) amended its regulations with the goal of decreasing the risk of introducing plant pests into the United States. USDA has adopted the international standard for wood packaging material (WPM) that was approved by the International Plant Protection Convention (IPPC) on March 15, 2002.

The IPPC standard calls for most WPM to be either heat treated or fumigated with methyl bromide in accordance with the Guidelines and marked with an approved international mark certifying that treatment. The final rule, which becomes effective on September 16, 2005, will affect all persons using wood packaging material in connection with importing goods into the United States.

Q: What kinds of WPM are covered by this regulation?
A: Most wood packaging materials are covered by the new rule including wooden packaging materials such as pallets, crates, boxes, and pieces of wood used to support or brace cargo. These materials are currently referred to as solid wood packing material (SWPM), which is defined as ‘‘[w]ood packing materials other than loose wood packing materials, used or for use with cargo to prevent damage, including, but not limited to, dunnage, crating, pallets, packing blocks, drums, cases, and skids.”

Q: What are the actual treatment and marking requirements?
A: There are two treatment options, heat treatment or fumigation with methyl bromide. For heat treatment, WPM must be heat treated to achieve a minimum wood core temperature of 56°C (132°F) for a minimum of 30 minutes. For fumigation, the WPM must be fumigated with methyl bromide in an enclosed area for at least 16 hours at the regulated dosage and then must be aerated to reduce the concentration of fumigant below hazardous exposure levels.

The regulation (7 C.F.R. §319.40-3) requires that WPM display a visible, legible, and
permanent mark certifying treatment. The mark must be a legible and permanent mark
that indicates that the article has been subjected to the approved measure and include
the following elements:

An abbreviation that discloses the type of treatment (HT for heat treatment or MB for methyl bromide fumigation; Guatemala is approved to use TT in place of HT or BM in place of MB).


The majority of developed nations have gone to the heat treated method for quite some time due to the time element for treatment and environmental concerns of MB application.

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PostPosted: Mon Jun 05, 2017 3:13 pm 
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Steve, thanks for the info. (That blue type is hard to read.) As an aside, the kiln at Johnson Lumber in Charlotte was converted to the heat-treating of pallets some (10?) years back.

Back to the original topic, I love wood from pallets, both foreign and domestic, and have made some cool stuff from that wood. And I still have more pallet-wood stashed away. And, since I make lumber also from local wood, I use pallets (usually 8-10-12' pallets from steel warehouses) for my racks for the airdrying of lumber.

I'd say, get all you can. And send photos or bring us a sample to help ID it.


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PostPosted: Tue Jun 06, 2017 7:59 am 
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Here is a shot of the grain. I will add a couple more in further posts
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 06, 2017 8:00 am 
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 06, 2017 10:03 am 
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I am not expert on identifying wood, and am eager to know what this is. My decidedly amateur thought is it looks like pine, or a softer wood like it.

Is there a deadline for you to know if people would like some of it? I am also thinking about make a "proper" workbench with substantial heft.


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PostPosted: Tue Jun 06, 2017 3:13 pm 
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My first though is pine. The end grain makes me think that. Not a good wood for a bench top. Many pallets are out of that since it is cheap in cost.

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