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PostPosted: Thu May 25, 2017 4:34 pm 
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I finally have to overcome my (math / geometry) apprehensions of building an angled wall cabinet since someone is offering me $$ to do one :)

The pdf file from the cabinet building presentation from a meeting 4 years ago doesn't go into that level of detail.

The books I've referenced seem short on detail and leave me still scratching my head.

It's a very standard face-frame cabinet they're looking for, 24" on the back walls, and butting up against the standard 12" deep cabinet to the sides.

Any words, and dimensions of advice will be greatly appreciated!

Scott


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PostPosted: Thu May 25, 2017 4:58 pm 
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I did find I had downloaded 3 Sketchup files from that session, but alas they were for other cabinet types :(

Lazy susan base, a pantry and a sink base.


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PostPosted: Thu May 25, 2017 5:37 pm 
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scott, i guess i'm confused on what the issue is... if you're talking about an angled upper, face frame, if you know the dimensions you have to work with for the face frame, start there, sketch the face frame, and "draw back" the cabinet sides, etc. is the issue that you don't know the opening dimensions? or do you have questions on the construction technique for such a cabinet?

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PostPosted: Thu May 25, 2017 10:29 pm 
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If you use Sketchup just go to the warehouse and search on "corner cabinet"...a ton of examples will come up and you can find those that match your need and use it to learn the basic dimensions and angles.

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PostPosted: Fri May 26, 2017 2:26 am 
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Good point...

I'm not really a sketchup user - more trying to view drawings to gather dimensions and details (ie angles on the faceframe sides, etc)

Probably more important is getting a veteran's 'recipe' - suggested steps and sequencing along with any and all hints/tips/suggestions

Scott


zaret wrote:
scott, i guess i'm confused on what the issue is... if you're talking about an angled upper, face frame, if you know the dimensions you have to work with for the face frame, start there, sketch the face frame, and "draw back" the cabinet sides, etc. is the issue that you don't know the opening dimensions? or do you have questions on the construction technique for such a cabinet?

--- dz


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PostPosted: Fri May 26, 2017 5:09 am 
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here are a few hope it helps.


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cabinet-plans.pdf [1.3 MiB]
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PostPosted: Fri May 26, 2017 7:44 am 
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ah... ok, that makes sense. scott, give me more details - face frame part dimensions (lengths, sizes of rails and stiles) and give me any detail you can on the opening in question, and i will whip you up a cabinet sketch which you can use as a template to work off of. will take 5 minutes, if that.

drop me a PM or post it here, happy to help.

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Scott Casey wrote:
Good point...

I'm not really a sketchup user - more trying to view drawings to gather dimensions and details (ie angles on the faceframe sides, etc)

Probably more important is getting a veteran's 'recipe' - suggested steps and sequencing along with any and all hints/tips/suggestions

Scott


zaret wrote:
scott, i guess i'm confused on what the issue is... if you're talking about an angled upper, face frame, if you know the dimensions you have to work with for the face frame, start there, sketch the face frame, and "draw back" the cabinet sides, etc. is the issue that you don't know the opening dimensions? or do you have questions on the construction technique for such a cabinet?

--- dz


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PostPosted: Fri May 26, 2017 8:34 am 
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Thank you Dominic! I didn't think of poking around Sommerfeld's site. I watched hours of his videos when I was getting started with cabinets.

Dave - a few more specifics:

[list=]1 1/2 face frame stock
36" height
12" sides
24" backs
Left side exposed
Deck aligned with the top of the bottom face frame rail
3/4 plywood everywhere but the 1/4 back panels
Right hand door hinge [/list]

Anything else I missed?


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PostPosted: Fri May 26, 2017 8:39 am 
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that's a great start, i'll whip something up once i get settled with my laptop.


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PostPosted: Fri May 26, 2017 9:48 am 
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scott, i would suggest using 3/4" material for the entire carcass for the corner cabinet, especially the backs. if you use 1/4", you have to use cleats or other members to support the cabinet to the wall. your call how you want to build your cabinets, but personally i find that the time and effort to switch away from 3/4" surpasses the slight additional material cost of sticking with 3/4" everywhere.


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PostPosted: Fri May 26, 2017 10:19 am 
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Sounds good to me.

Sounds like then that you use 3/4 on all the back panels(?)

I'd love to do an internship in your shop some time... So much to always learn 8)

zaret wrote:
scott, i would suggest using 3/4" material for the entire carcass for the corner cabinet, especially the backs. if you use 1/4", you have to use cleats or other members to support the cabinet to the wall. your call how you want to build your cabinets, but personally i find that the time and effort to switch away from 3/4" surpasses the slight additional material cost of sticking with 3/4" everywhere.


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PostPosted: Fri May 26, 2017 11:01 am 
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nah, you don't want that, i'm ornery and unpleasant.

yeah i use 3/4" everywhere. i just don't think it makes sense to deal with switching materials. plus, a corner cabinet is "all back" and can be heavy - if you use 1/4", you have to make a good cleat (or two), ensure the cleat is properly attached to the carcass, locate fasteners only in the narrow cleat... by the time you do all of this, you might as well spend the extra $10 a sheet for 3/4" material giving you all of the strength and install flexibility you could want.

my $0.02, works for me, YMMV, yada yada


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PostPosted: Fri May 26, 2017 11:24 am 
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nah, you don't want that, i'm ornery and unpleasant.


Sounds like some of the guys I sing with ...

[url]WeSingBarbershop.com[/url]

Sounds like a good approach on the corner unit backs :s_thumbsup


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PostPosted: Fri May 26, 2017 11:26 am 
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alright, this is generally how i would do it. i designed it for 12" deep side cabinets, not 12 3/4" - you'd need to adjust it if you meant 12 3/4" uppers. blue is face frame, green is applied end panel.

let me know if you have any questions or need additional guidance.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/midft26dreua4 ... b.skp?dl=0


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PostPosted: Fri May 26, 2017 1:48 pm 
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Thank You!

1 more request: can you save the file into a previous version?

I'm currently stuck on 14.x for the moment (long story ;))

Even the viewer application is 64 bit programming


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PostPosted: Fri May 26, 2017 2:55 pm 
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2016 version


https://www.dropbox.com/s/lmvikq72vla3f ... 6.skp?dl=0


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PostPosted: Sat May 27, 2017 7:04 pm 
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scott, were you able to open the file?


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PostPosted: Sun May 28, 2017 7:44 am 
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Not quite yet...

This (need for later version of Sketchup) may provide the last bit of 'encouragement' to get me to upgrade up off of win xp.

In the meantime, I'm working out a plan B to open the file :)

Thank you again!


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PostPosted: Sun May 28, 2017 11:42 am 
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ok, here it is in old-school, sketchup version 6.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/99qzux0nfjazq ... 6.skp?dl=0


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PostPosted: Sun May 28, 2017 2:32 pm 
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I'm gonna hijack this for a sec.

Dave-

When you do a full kitchen do you lay it out in Sketchup? If so, do you have the pro version and take it into Layout for dimensioning to build off of?
Just curious your method on that side.

I have a small mudroom project coming up and I drew it in Sketchup to show the design. I was thinking of just putting it into AutoCAD so I can have decent drawings with dimensions to build off of.


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PostPosted: Sun May 28, 2017 5:04 pm 
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nah i don't use pro. alan, i do design the entire kitchen in sketchup - I model the space fairly exactly, then do an overall layout with boxes, then i design each cabinet in separate files, then ultimately stick it all together in the space. when it's designed, i build cut lists for solids and ply with cut list plus and spreadsheets (some fairly customized spreadsheets, plug in box details and it calcs parts, drawers, doors, etc.). i like doing it this way because as i'm transposing each cabinet into the other tools, i routinely discover something i've missed, or some efficiency or order of operation i need to consider in the build. it's inevitable - with a highly custom kitchen, happens every time. the few times i've automated the process and trusted the drawing without review, i've rebuilt stuff.

for a more standard kitchen, i don't think this would be an issue.

moving forward, jim and i are going to start using Mozaik software to design and generate CNC gcode, but i haven't done that yet for a project.

if anyone's interested in any of the spreadsheet tools i'd be happy to share.

--- dz


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PostPosted: Mon May 29, 2017 5:00 pm 
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Dave-

Thanks for the great info as always....
I got a few other items for you so I will PM you.


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